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David S
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 4:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

do you think this welder will work?

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David S
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 4:56 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

hmm no photo

how do i put one
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Andrew
Posted on Thursday, June 24, 2004 - 8:03 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

To learn how to insert a picture, go to this page: Inserting Images
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David S
Posted on Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 11:13 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

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David S
Posted on Sunday, June 27, 2004 - 11:14 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ok there it is


now will it work???
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Simon Quellen Field (Sfield)
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2004 - 2:57 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

You don't mention the turns ratio on the transformers.

When the electrode touches ground, you basically have a short circuit.
This will turn the fan off, which is probably not what you wanted.
It may also blow a circuit breaker.
If the fan was in series instead of parallel, it would act as a safe
load, so that when the electrode touches ground, it simply acts like
a switch, turning the fan on. You would want the fan to be high wattage
in that case, so you still have watts to heat the materials you wish to
weld. You could keep the fan as it is, and place a 1,000 watt heater element
in series with the main power switch to act as a current limiting resistor.

None of this really qualifies as a "science toy" however, and it is much
more dangerous than what I normally write about in this web site or in my
books. It is not a project I can recommend. Commercial arc welders are
not much more expensive than the parts your are using, and they might have
some additional safety features that make them a much better bargain. You
can get one for $135, which seems to me like not a lot to pay for safety.
Plus you won't have to ask people on the Internet whether or not it will
work.
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Anonymous
Posted on Friday, July 2, 2004 - 10:55 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

Theodore Gray wrote an article about homemade arc welders in Popular Science. Try going to http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/article/0,12543,611070,00.html
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David S
Posted on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 10:51 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

ok i am planning on replaceing the secondary coil with 6 guage single conductor wire. I plan to get about 12 to 15 turns on each transformer.
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David S
Posted on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 11:13 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

you mean wire the fan like this?

my picture
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Simon Quellen Field (Sfield)
Posted on Friday, July 23, 2004 - 11:36 am:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

I think you meant to cut the wire between the fan leads.
That would put it in series.
Otherwise, the fan does nothing, since there is a short circuit
between the leads.
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David S
Posted on Friday, August 6, 2004 - 9:09 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

"you basicly have a short circuit when you ground the electrode"

thats true but it won't trip a circuit breaker
this will create a controled short or spark

if there was no transformers there then it would trip a breaker

what amp breaker would i need for this mini arc welder?(im thinking a 20 amp breaker should do good)

oh and ill rewire the fan the original way
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Posted on Sunday, January 8, 2006 - 4:18 pm:   Edit PostDelete PostView Post/Check IPPrint Post   Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)Ban Poster IP (Moderator/Admin only)

How thick steel are you planning on welding with this?
Wouldn't it be a good idea to install a thermal cut out?

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